The Rest Is Politics

The Rest Is Politics

Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart break down current affairs in the UK and abroad. The Rest Is Politics analyses the latest international news, provides debate on global issues, and reveals secrets from Westminster, whilst bringing back the lost art of disagreeing agreeably. With insider perspectives and expert analysis, The Rest Is Politics is the go-to podcast for anyone seeking intelligent, engaging discussions on British and global politics. The Rest Is Politics Plus: Join with a FREE TRIAL at therestispolitics.com for exclusive bonus content including Rory and Alastair’s first ever miniseries, early access to episodes and live show tickets, ad free listening, our exclusive newsletter, discount book prices on titles mentioned on the pod, and our members chatroom. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com. Social Producer: Celine Charles Lead Video Editor: Josh Smith Assistant Producer: Daisy Alston-Horne Producer: Evan Green Exec Producer: Bella Soames
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Episode's summary

In this episode of The Rest is Politics, host Rory Stewart interviews physicist Professor Carlo Rovelli to discuss the escalating existential risk of nuclear war. Rovelli argues that despite a perceived decline in public interest in nuclear threats compared to the Cold War era, the objective risk is actually higher today due to several shifting geopolitical and technological factors. The discussion covers the transition from a bipolar superpower dynamic to a more complex multipolar world involving China, as well as the dangerous integration of Artificial Intelligence into nuclear decision-making processes. Rovelli also explores the nuances of nuclear deterrence between large and small powers, warning that rapid rearmament in Europe and the potential for technological advantages could inadvertently trigger a catastrophic global conflict.

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The title of my book is 85 Seconds to Midnight. It refers to the slogan used by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists

00:02:11 · Rovelli introduces his book and explains the current level of global nuclear risk.

the game of three is completely different because there's a complicated thing about trust and there is a clear advantage in everybody having the other two going to war.

00:03:44 · Explaining how moving from a two-superpower system to a multipolar system changes nuclear stability.

AI, it's likely to be used in combination with nuclear technology, but AI is not fully reliable in these things.

00:04:17 · Discussing the dangers of integrating unproven artificial intelligence into rapid-response nuclear decision chains.

The risk is when a national security state with a very fearful attitude towards its neighbors possesses the weapon and its neighbors do not, that the risk emerges.

00:10:43 · Rovelli's theory on why the most dangerous moments occur during shifts in nuclear capability rather than established parity.

It's the second act of the Europe suicide from a global superpower to nothing.

00:15:17 · Rovelli's critique of current European rearmament trends and their potential long-term consequences.

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